Comments on: The Calendar at Christmas - II http://universalis.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/the-calendar-at-christmas-ii/ The Liturgy of the Hours, the Mass, and other things. Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:20:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: Fr. Dave http://universalis.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/the-calendar-at-christmas-ii/#comment-5364 Fr. Dave Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:47:45 +0000 http://universalis.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/the-calendar-at-christmas-ii/#comment-5364 Please remember one thing: This is prayer, not research academics or rote dogmatic ritualism. Let us pray that the Lord will be with us and with our spirits as we pray that which is presented. Perhaps the Holy Spirit has something to say to us today beyond the dogmatic and academic. Let us receive what is given in a way that is open to what the Spirit may be trying to say and then only apply what we may know in academics or dogmatics to see if it will be what the Lord is trying to say to us. Please remember one thing: This is prayer, not research academics or rote dogmatic ritualism. Let us pray that the Lord will be with us and with our spirits as we pray that which is presented. Perhaps the Holy Spirit has something to say to us today beyond the dogmatic and academic. Let us receive what is given in a way that is open to what the Spirit may be trying to say and then only apply what we may know in academics or dogmatics to see if it will be what the Lord is trying to say to us.

]]> By: Pawel Pojawa, another lay person http://universalis.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/the-calendar-at-christmas-ii/#comment-1863 Pawel Pojawa, another lay person Tue, 01 May 2007 22:28:30 +0000 http://universalis.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/the-calendar-at-christmas-ii/#comment-1863 The general rubric at the beginning of the 3rd Sunday of Advent that you quote in Latin is identical in the first edition of Liturgia Horarum. The Polish breviary, which is what I normally use, translates that rubric into plain 17. I agree with you that the specific rubrics inside Lauds, Vespers and Office of Readings would feel more logical if we accepted 3, as they would indicate the only deviations to make from a "regular" 3rd Sunday of Advent. However, I am wondering why preces from December 17th are ever mentioned in the general rubric, when there is no specific rubric in the 3rd Sunday of Advent to include them. The general rubric at the beginning of the 3rd Sunday of Advent that you quote in Latin is identical in the first edition of Liturgia Horarum.
The Polish breviary, which is what I normally use, translates that rubric into plain 17.

I agree with you that the specific rubrics inside Lauds, Vespers and Office of Readings would feel more logical if we accepted 3, as they would indicate the only deviations to make from a “regular” 3rd Sunday of Advent. However, I am wondering why preces from December 17th are ever mentioned in the general rubric, when there is no specific rubric in the 3rd Sunday of Advent to include them.

]]> By: Sang Hoon, a lay person http://universalis.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/the-calendar-at-christmas-ii/#comment-1114 Sang Hoon, a lay person Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:15:19 +0000 http://universalis.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/the-calendar-at-christmas-ii/#comment-1114 I pray using botn American LH, and Korean short breviary (does not have office of reading with this one). I do not see why American translation is wrong and there are conflicts as you described here, between 3, and 17. I do not have the St. Josephs's guide for 2006 any longer and it is possible that the guide might have been wrong, but the LH book itself is not. One thing you missed is, the psalms and cocluding prayer are still taken from the Third Sunday in Advent, whether it is December 17th or not. And then many things are taken from December 17th but psalms (with antiphons) and Concluding Prayer. That is why there is rubrics in the book helping the prayer to find the proper antiphons and readings. Lee me quote the rubric on Third Sunday of Advent in American LH. "When this sunday occurs on December 17th, the hymns are taken from those given on 132-136. The readings, antiphons for the canticles of Zechariah and Mary, and the intercessions, 318-325, assigned for each day, are used. Those for the Third Sunday are then omitted." We have taken everything first from the third Sunday, and then as we take some from Dec. 17th as they replace those from 3rd Sunday; we now omit the readings, antiphons for Gospel canticles, and the intercession. My Korean translations also took 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 as short reading for evening prayer and it makes sense according to the rubrics. I pray using botn American LH, and Korean short breviary (does not have office of reading with this one).
I do not see why American translation is wrong and there are conflicts as you described here, between 3, and 17. I do not have the St. Josephs’s guide for 2006 any longer and it is possible that the guide might have been wrong, but the LH book itself is not.

One thing you missed is, the psalms and cocluding prayer are still taken from the Third Sunday in Advent, whether it is December 17th or not. And then many things are taken from December 17th but psalms (with antiphons) and Concluding Prayer. That is why there is rubrics in the book helping the prayer to find the proper antiphons and readings.

Lee me quote the rubric on Third Sunday of Advent in American LH.

“When this sunday occurs on December 17th, the hymns are taken from those given on 132-136. The readings, antiphons for the canticles of Zechariah and Mary, and the intercessions, 318-325, assigned for each day, are used. Those for the Third Sunday are then omitted.”

We have taken everything first from the third Sunday, and then as we take some from Dec. 17th as they replace those from 3rd Sunday; we now omit the readings, antiphons for Gospel canticles, and the intercession.

My Korean translations also took 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 as short reading for evening prayer and it makes sense according to the rubrics.

]]> By: Dcn. Jim http://universalis.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/the-calendar-at-christmas-ii/#comment-1111 Dcn. Jim Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:56:15 +0000 http://universalis.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/the-calendar-at-christmas-ii/#comment-1111 Do we know what Rome did on the 17th? Do we know what Rome did on the 17th?

]]> By: Fr.S http://universalis.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/the-calendar-at-christmas-ii/#comment-1096 Fr.S Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:19:19 +0000 http://universalis.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/the-calendar-at-christmas-ii/#comment-1096 Thanks for this, I almost certainly won't remember next time it happens, but I know I was v.uncertain last year, what to do or not do. Thanks for this, I almost certainly won’t remember next time it happens, but I know I was v.uncertain last year, what to do or not do.

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